sometimes used well it can be a useful tool, but i think more often than not it's used as an evasion. >> thank you. the united states has not won a war since 1945. this combat looks an awful lot like vietnam. there's no difference between the republicans and the democrats except ron paul. i'm wondering, are we ever going to see the united states completely pull out of the mideast? it's leading some people to think that we might be there for oil or minerals or even the heroin trade, for that matter. and -- >> heroin trade? >> so i'm really concerned about this. >> well, no, you raise a good point. world war ii is, actually, in the annals of military history since and going way back, world war ii is kind of an anomaly. there really haven't been a lot of wars in history that lead to the total surrender of the enemy. most wars, and particularly the kinds of wars that we're getting involved in now, you know, rightly or wrongly end with some kind of negotiation or some kind of division of power or some new power arrangement between, you know, some kind of coalition. and so it is uncomfortab